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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2016, 01:33:41 AM »
Hi,

Thank you all for the kind words.
Soon you will have a copy of the text book itself.

BR, Bob

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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2016, 04:50:38 AM »
Thank you ... now I have what to study... Happiness for us from countries where it is not that easy to buy something online... :)

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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2017, 06:10:48 AM »
Thanks Bob!

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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2017, 06:31:43 PM »
Hey, by the way, does anyone have information about the Bayati-Shiraz mode? It's not included in the book and the reason is that it belongs to Azeri Mugham (Maqam) tradition. Any material is appreciated.

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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2017, 12:27:00 PM »
Hi AlchemyofMusic,

Please check out this

http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/rules_sound.html
http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/line_sm_sekst.html

For me this Bayati-Shiraz mode is the same arabic or turkish Beyati, only when you go to the 2nd octave the subtonic is flatened which is an usual practice ot module when you go to higher octaves.
I don't see any reason here for inventing new name, it creates unnecessary confusion .. while Azer music belongs to the wide oriental music and obviously they wanted to put their finger print by creating new name.

Another thing to notice when reading the azer music sheets, Azer music is notated in transpositional way like Turkish music, unlike the common universal notation.
For instance with turkish or azer music sheets, if you read C it means it sounds F, if you see A it sounds D, or if you see G it sounds on real C, in summary sounds fifth below than actual what is written.

Hope you find it useful!

BR, Bob

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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2017, 08:05:25 PM »
Hi AlchemyofMusic,

Please check out this

http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/rules_sound.html
http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/line_sm_sekst.html

Cool! Informative set of pages. The similarities and differences in the regional musics are a normal part of the mix of our connectedness complicated by our inventivity as human beings. I find comparing them both fascinating and informative. Thank you again for an informative and useful reference.

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Another thing to notice when reading the azer music sheets, Azer music is notated in transpositional way like Turkish music, unlike the common universal notation.
For instance with turkish or azer music sheets, if you read C it means it sounds F, if you see A it sounds D, or if you see G it sounds on real C, in summary sounds fifth below than actual what is written.

Here I have a question. Transposition by fourths and fifths can be confusing, because they inversions of each other. My understanding, from a number of sources, is that Turkish music is written a musical fourth higher than the actual sound, i.e. written C sounds G, etc.

[For clarinet players, this is great: on your G clarinet, if you read C, you play C, and it sounds G -- no transposition necessary! The transpositions really can get confusing, though -- when I read untransposed music on my G clarinet, I need to play a fourth HIGHER than written, so when I read C, I play F, etc, etc.]

But Arabic tuning, for the same modes, is typically a whole step lower than Turkish. Similarly the Arabic oud is typically tuned a step lower than the Turkish oud, but same interval structure, so you would use the same fingerings, but sound one step different. But I don't know how Arabic music is written in Western notation. Is it written as it sounds? Is it written same as Turkish music, but sounds one tone lower (i.e. a fifth lower than written)? I don't know, but at this juncture, I have already been wondering about it, so this is a good excuse to ask.

From your answers to this question, may I go back to the Azer music; is it notated at the fourth interval, like Turkish music, or at the fifth, sounding at the Arabic level?


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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2017, 10:59:17 AM »
But I don't know how Arabic music is written in Western notation. Is it written as it sounds?


Yes, Arabic music is written as it sounds, like Western notation.

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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2017, 11:02:59 AM »
Hi AlchemyofMusic,

Please check out this

http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/rules_sound.html
http://musbook.musigi-dunya.az/en/line_sm_sekst.html

For me this Bayati-Shiraz mode is the same arabic or turkish Beyati, only when you go to the 2nd octave the subtonic is flatened which is an usual practice ot module when you go to higher octaves.
I don't see any reason here for inventing new name, it creates unnecessary confusion .. while Azer music belongs to the wide oriental music and obviously they wanted to put their finger print by creating new name.

Another thing to notice when reading the azer music sheets, Azer music is notated in transpositional way like Turkish music, unlike the common universal notation.
For instance with turkish or azer music sheets, if you read C it means it sounds F, if you see A it sounds D, or if you see G it sounds on real C, in summary sounds fifth below than actual what is written.

Hope you find it useful!

BR, Bob


Thanks a lot Bob for the material. I'll read through it and digest it. One thing I can tell by quickly glancing at it, is that the system doesn't seem entirely the same as Turkish Makam, but a mix between Turkish Makam and Persian Dastgah. Specially the part when the tonic is in the middle of the scale. I'm not very knowledgeable on Persian Dastgah, though very interested.

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2017, 11:34:07 AM »
Hi a_hennig,

I don't see contradiction between what we both said in regards to turkish notation.
What you said ''Turkish music is written a musical fourth higher than the actual sound'' is the same what I said it sounds lower fifth than written, same outcome.

Thanks to AlchemyofMusic as well when he rightly mentioned that ''Arabic music is written as it sounds, like Western notation''.
Just small addition from me, Oud is a transpositional instrument, meaning it sounds octave lower than written, the same like guitar for example.

Hi AlchemyOfMusic, I am glad you find it useful and happy with the healthy interaction with you gentlemen.

BR, Bob


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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2017, 05:01:07 PM »
Thank you, both of you.
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