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« on: February 11, 2017, 06:41:17 PM »
Jezayir is a popular song often referred to as a Turkish March.


However it was used by old time Armenians as a song played when taking the bride from her parents' house to the church.


I found out that it's also used by Greeks for the same purpose called "Patinada Tou Gamou".....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgpc4mUsGPE



does anyone have any knowledge on the history of this song. Jezayir means in Arabic "the Islands". It's also the name of Algeria in Turkish. I recall someone on facebook claiming "The Islands" was a reference to the Greek Islands.


Although a lot of Armenian and Greek songs cross over with each other and Turkish songs in the Constantinople/Smyrna repertoire, I was surprised that a wedding ritualistic song crossed over as I hadn't seen that before.


Just wondering if anyone knows the origin or any information on this melody.


Another thing i was told by an old time musician here in Detroit, that his parents or old timers told him that in the "old country" (Ottoman Empire) the song was used in Turkish government official events with "horses stepping to the rhythm" of the song.








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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 12:47:35 AM »
Love to hear the Turkish and Armenian version, beautiful tune.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 03:37:37 AM »
Sounds to me to be related to the Tonus Peregrinus psalm tone, which is supposed to come originally from Jewish liturgical music.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2017, 11:28:36 AM »
In that case love to hear it in Klezmer version too.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2017, 02:58:09 PM »
Bravo Harry

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2017, 06:36:23 PM »
I hear a nice tune, one I should learn, but the YouTube comments inevitably drill down into turk vs. greek vs. whatever axe someone wishes to grind. Oh me oh my, when will hatred end between human beings?


For my cents on the origin, sounds like an island tune to me. Not Smyrnaica for sure. It's a village melody from the Aegean, who cares if it's a Turkish island or greeK? The performance style is definitely island greek.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 01:05:25 PM »
This melody, as far as i know, comes from Tinos Island in Cyclades! The final part of the song (1:10-1:32) is also played in the ''Patinada'' of Thessalia as you can here it in the link below (1:24).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-eXmRbRic

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2017, 03:45:12 PM »
by the way, Eleft., there are not Turkish island in Aegean ONLY Greek.
Some would try to cath some  ... ;) ill
 

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 02:39:53 AM »
This melody, as far as i know, comes from Tinos Island in Cyclades! The final part of the song (1:10-1:32) is also played in the ''Patinada'' of Thessalia as you can here it in the link below (1:24).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-eXmRbRic

Great version by Nikos Filippidis!
There are two other recordings of this patinada that I like. Yiorgos Anestopoulos (my favorite), and Vaios Malliaras recorded beautiful versions of this patinada!
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 07:42:24 AM »
 :TU: :TU:

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 09:38:37 PM »
by the way, Eleft., there are not Turkish island in Aegean ONLY Greek.
Some would try to cath some  ... ;) ill
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2017, 04:16:52 PM »
I know the story solo. I read the Kazantzakis book.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 05:26:11 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2017, 06:28:22 AM »
I suppose it's as likely to have started out on Tinos as anywhere - but proving that it did, when it's played and sung in a zillion different versions as far away as Armenia, with related tunes dating back more than 2000 years, is going to take some fairly extraordinary evidence.

I guess the uploader's intention was to show that the tune was the common property of many cultures.  I'd think it has been for such a long time that claims of ownership don't make sense.

 

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