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« on: February 21, 2012, 03:02:40 PM »

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When going down, the second note (highlighted column) is flattened
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 01:14:49 PM by Bass »
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2013, 11:22:41 AM »
So, Rast written here looks like a regular ol' major scale.  But when you play it, coming down, the 7th is flat.  Then in the solo it doesn't sound like a major scale at all.  I am just figuring these things out, but when I look it up on the internet, I found a site that says the 3rd and 7th are a quartertone flat.  Is that right?  Is it different going up and coming down?  Are any of the other tones changed?  This is important information for this scale.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 02:15:58 PM »
right, GLENN, Rast is NOT a simple major scale. Generally the 3rd and 7th are a quartertone flat. But there are more or less "hard" types of rast ... so sometimes seems to ask for a 7th flat ........ Enjoy

Generally, I think that these Charts on GTC may be changed , bc dromoi/makamia are n;t simply types western system's music scales, notes etc ...

Spyros etc. could help perhaps
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 08:05:07 PM »
Hello Glen
Yes ,the 3rd and the seventh are always lowered,you need a really open mouthpiece to do those alterations...
Sometimes when you go from upper treble to lower,let's say that you start from c,than it will be more even lowered on the 3rd of the base,it's gonna be an 3 with 2 komas lowered...Lavta would be a really good instrument to understand exactly what I mean,or kanun ...
All the best
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P.S.The Arab Rast is even more lowered cole to the kurdi I would say

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 02:29:58 AM »
as for yr PS Spyros,
but near to kurdi you mean as notes,
bc this Kurdi (theoritically) based on E note, Rast on C,
not?

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 05:48:16 AM »
The academical position of the Kurdi is on Bb  for the Turks and Ab for the Arabs.But the same mode can be transpose to many keys.Usually at the Donizetti system from what you see you play a fourth or fifth lower[depends on the tuning].So to western tuning Bb = f
I was talking about behavioural playing...as sound.
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« Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 07:52:34 AM by Dr Spyros Koliavasilis »

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2013, 01:02:35 PM »
sorry,
make it more clear pease...

if a C Rast , write the notes and their commas

if a E Kurdi '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' too

thanks

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 09:57:06 AM »
The notation stating that the 7th was flat when decending was somehow lost going from me to Bass to the web site.  I looked up my original files and found it.  Bass, please make that change.  If you listen to the scale I played next to the chart, you would clearly hear the 7th being flat on the way down. 

I'd like to remind people that the clarinet was not made to play microtones.  We use a wide open mouthpiece and a cigarette paper thin reed to achieve that goal.  Take note that when playing, one does not have the time to make all the mouth adjustments in order to hit all the microtones.  The playing is just too fast.   

While knowing your dromous is important, it is even more important to play by feel.  Again, there is no time to think about flattening this note and that note.  The faster the playing, the less quarter tones you can use.  It has to be done by feel.  How do you get that feel?  Listen to the music every chance you get. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 12:38:23 PM »
George, I am not sure which note you guys are talking about, please send me the original when you get a chance so I can replace this one.  thanks!
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 12:52:05 PM »
Comming up. 

We are talking about the 7th note in the scale.  For instance in scale of G, the F# is flattened (to a F natural) when going down the scale.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 08:22:59 PM »
Maybe that is why the column with the seventh note is green, to denote flat coming down?  In this case, as with most of these dromous, listening to the examples is very necessary because the notation is deceptive, or not specific enough.  In other words there is no visual cue for the microtones.

Also, I understand what you mean by "feeling" the notes because getting the microtones requires a certain physical manipulation which one has to feel, but also the microtone has a certain emotional quality one has to feel.  That being said, many people, when they are learning this can be aided by both the visual notation of the actual notes and an intellectual understanding of where the pitch is supposed to sit.  For many, seeing something aids in their hearing it.  There are many paths to learning and understanding roads (dromous)!

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2013, 04:29:05 PM »
You got it Glenn!  This flattening of the 7th is a tricky thing because it doesn't come into play every time.  It depends on the song.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 02:05:13 PM »
can you tell me one song that is played in this scale?with 3 and 7 note lowered

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 07:32:23 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 08:56:49 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 02:42:43 PM »
 see here, how to go playing from a C rast to 13 other dromous/maqams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7nx_UNuE6I

or
to other 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Lk7bkW0dU

Good practise on them all

 
« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 03:07:03 PM by SOLO »

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2016, 02:14:40 AM »
P.S.The Arab Rast is even more lowered cole to the kurdi I would say ?

Rast in Arabs is as follow :

Rast - Dugah - Segah - Cargah - Neva - Huseyni - Evic - Gerdanyie
C - D - E(semi flat) - F - G - A - B(semi flat) - C

in the descending scale Evic (B semi flat) could be replaced by Acem (B flat)

Actually it is the same scale of Turks Rast and another thread could be opened to explain the differences and similarities which is not the case at this moment.

But for sure in Arabs Rast cannot be Kurdi (E flat) otherwise it would be Nihavent.

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2018, 12:20:31 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2018, 04:53:08 PM »
you need to allow flash.  if you're using chrome, simply go to your settings and allow flash.  in Firefox you simply click on the flash window in first post and allow from there, or update.  IE seems to work as is.
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